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16 November 2009 @ 02:17 pm
Disney's "Marketing Decision" Already Being Regretted  
Hello Everyone:

I decided to do a little follow-up work on the "Up" clusterflop since hearing about the lack of captions being available on rental versions versus retail versions.

I first called the studio number that I was able to obtain thru WhitePages for the Burbank offices (818-553-5000), and the woman who answered, when I explained why I was calling, said "All the movies are captioned". When I explained that, no, this one wasn't available with captioning on the rental version (I verified it myself), she proceeded to say "Well, don't you have to have some kinda special device to enable captions? You sure you checked to make sure how to turn them on?" After a couple of minutes of back and forth like this, she then proceeds to transfer me to 1-888-257-9100 for the "movie people" (go figure, thought I was talking to them already). Someone answered at that number, and I went through my explanation again. The lady was very nice and apologetic as she explained she needed to "check up on the details of that first".

After a couple minutes, she then gets back on the line with me and proceeds to tell me that the decision to not offer captions or subtitles on the rental version was a "marketing decision" because subtitles and captions are considered "special features", but if I wanted to enjoy captions, I could buy a retail version. I explained that I thought it was a stupid marketing decision because it basically forces the deaf or hard of hearing or anyone else who wants captions to spend 20 bucks on a movie that anyone else can rent for a dollar at Redbox, and it was profiteering off the backs of those who have a hearing loss. I then asked what number I needed to call to log a complaint, and the woman tells me that she understood my situation, that she "has someone in her home too who would like to see captions" and that she doesn't agree with the decision either. She then says she will transfer me to her supervisor so I can do so. After a couple minutes, she gets back on the line and gives me yet another number to call to lodge my complaint, apparently the supervisor wanted no part of the conversation.

So off I go on another phone call. This one to the marketing people at 1-800-723-4763. I explained yet again why I was calling to complain. The person said "Yes, it was a marketing decision, but we are now reviewing that decision. May I have your email address and name please, so we can contact you after the review?"

So the voices are WORKING! Call this last number I listed, and let them know you are unhappy being treated differently by being forced to buy a retail version just so you can enjoy a captioned movie in your own home! Be prepared to give your name and an email address for them to contact you back at. The more people they hear from, the more likely we will be to effect true change!

Pass this number along, again, it is 1-800-723-4763. Call, have your friends call, family, whatever. Tell them their "marketing decision" was a profound FLOP, and that you want your captions.
 
 
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(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC)
Making some noise
I complained to Redbox... after bringing my DVD home. A rep gave me that number to complain and boy I did complain to them, and they said they would let me know when they made a decision. I also googled and discovered there was recently a shake up at Disney, and Bob Chapek is the new guy who is the head of distribution. His email is robert.chapek@disney.com and his boss is Rich Ross who is head of all Disney videos, and his email is rich.ross@disney.com
(Anonymous) on November 16th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
I just called and complained.

Thanks for the number.

The tech said that the Blu-Ray RENTAL version is subtitled though. I will confirm this eventually when I rent "UP". I am busy watching Dexter S3 now :-).
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
I called too...
I called that number too and got a young lady called "Lana". She told me that they were aware of the problem and "didn't know how it had happened", that it was a "surprise to them too". I told her that others had been told it was a "marketing decision", and she said that was not true. ; ).

Onwards and UPwards.

Mom to deaf teenager who LOVES his closed captions!

(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 12:26 am (UTC)
Can use web to contact as well
Hi, I called that number above and got a friendly helpful woman. I lodged my complaint and she kept apologizing. I asked if there was an email address we could use instead of calling her department through the relay and she said yes. If you use the contact form at this website: http://www.disneystudioshelp.com/Contact_Us.html, it goes to her same department. Thanks! Ken Arcia
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
Re: Can use web to contact as well
Thanks Ken.

I went to that form and logged my complaint as well. See see....

LaRonda
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 17th, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
Re: Can use web to contact as well
LaRonda:

Please read my response to that comment from Brian. The email form might be tricky, since you will not recieve a reply according to the small print. Calling might work best for you if you wish to receive a reply.

Eddie
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 17th, 2009 01:33 am (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who has read, and called, and emailed, provided email for others to use, and so on. This is the kind of grassroots effort that is also needed to ensure that we receive more captioned access AT FIRST RUN MOVIES EVERYWHERE.

Eddie
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
Disney FLOP
I admire you patience in managing to get through so many different departments. I note the the supervisors at Disney are the same as at other companies, they do everything possible they can to avoid them having to do any work (or maybe they are incompetent). I have a similar problem with Rogers Wireless, their supervisor will not even phone me.

A friend of mine used to said "BIG is BAD, Big Government, Big Companies, Big Unions".
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
Thanks for your advocacy!
Thanks to your pal Mark, we are spreading the word about this post at Facebook, and encouraging people to call in. Let's see if we can grab Disney's attention!
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 17th, 2009 05:00 am (UTC)
Re: Thanks for your advocacy!
Thank you!

Eddie
Cody B.: get it together[info]codeman38 on November 17th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
...Wow. So they really did think that removing captioning would encourage people to buy the DVD, rather than, I dunno, making them feel cheated that the rental was unwatchable?

Honestly, I'd love to see all the people responsible for that decision lose their hearing and see how it feels.
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 03:31 am (UTC)
"UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
This is Brian, who happen rented it from Redbox and find out that there is no CC or any kind of Subtitle...
Thank you for put up contact information here for me to reply my complaint..
Thanks
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 17th, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
Re: "UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
Brian:

Glad I could help. I use Redbox all the time, and verified it by going to my local Redbox and trying it as well. Glad to hear you were able to make the complaint.

One thing I want to point out, someone posted a comment that said to use the form on their website to log the complaint, I went and looked for the form, and the small print says "You will NOT receive an email response using this form. If you wish to do so, please call or write". So people might want to call instead. I've found them very receptive to the calls so far.
(Anonymous) on December 21st, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
Re: "UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
I filled out their form at http://www.disneystudioshelp.com/Contact_Us.html and they must have changed it because they said "Your email address and/or phone number will only be used to communicate with you about the problem or feedback you are reporting and will not be used for any other purpose."

Anyhow, I told them I thought removing the DVS (blindness at my house) was mean spirited and was driving at least one customer, me, away.

Jesse Tharin

Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on December 21st, 2009 05:26 am (UTC)
Re: "UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
I'm not exactly sure to which comment you are replying. But I did inform people on either this post or another one that that "contact us" form was not a good idea, and for people to please call the numbers I posted to file their complaints. I'm glad you commented to them, though, they need to continue to hear from people about their concerns regarding captions (or the lack of them) on all their offerings. When I called them, I finally did receive a reply from them via email several weeks later.

Thanks for reading and commenting,
Eddie
(Anonymous) on December 21st, 2009 09:01 pm (UTC)
Re: "UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
Your comment, actually. There's more than closed captioning at stake here. I found you guys via CaptionFish because they are pretty much the best source for Descriptive Video content in the movie theaters. I on the one hand don't care about captioning since I literally can't see it, but these two (CC/DVS) technologies go hand in hand so we have commonality. In this case, Disney isn't out to pick on one particular sensory lack, they just don't care about the problem at all because they can't see how it could possibly impact them economically.

"Uncle Walt" is dead, and the Mouse is a cold-hearted rodent, as are they all...
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on December 21st, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
Re: "UP" movie with no CC or sutitle...
I agree. I apologize for not speaking more about DA, I will make an effort to understand it more and talk it up more. As for Captionfish, while it is good for areas that offer a lot or even a few captioned movies, by my count, there are only EIGHT theaters in Kentucky that offer captions or even DA. And 2 or 3 of them are in Lexington alone, which is a 6 hour roundtrip for me. I know of a couple in Louisville, an 8 hour roundtrip from me, and the rest are in Northern Kentucky close to Cincinnatti, Ohio, again an 8 hour roundtrip for me. So it really doesn't help me, which is why I haven't talked Captionfish up more as well. Thanks for commenting, and I hope you become a regular reader and contributor here.

Eddie
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 08:27 am (UTC)
Red Box Sucks!
Hello to whom may read this, I rented movies from Red Box few times, I love it at first then later starting to get pissed off no CC even the preview that I read on the red box before I checked out shows have CC!
Now I quitted for the time being and start going to local home town video rent place. Easy to complain in person than that stupid "Red Box" which you have to telephone someone and wasted fucking time!
Excuses my language :-)
Mark Hight, Union,mo.
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Red Box Sucks!
@ Mark Hight, Union,mo.

I hope you understand that Red Box has nothing to do with this issue. It is the fault of the Disney company for deciding to remove captioning from rental DVDs sent out to Redbox, Netflix, Blockbuster, etc.
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 18th, 2009 10:19 am (UTC)
Re: Red Box Sucks!
Anonymous:

I agree completely. Please remember people, Redbox, et al can only work with what is provided.

Thanks,
Eddie
(Anonymous) on January 24th, 2010 11:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Red Box Sucks!
Actually, Redbox, Netflix, and Blockbuster are big enough that any one of them, or a combination of all three, could tell Disney that this in not acceptable. They may end up losing Disney content for a while, but the resulting media exposure about them standing up for Deaf/Blind rights could help them as much as hurting Disney. There is no law that says they have to accept whatever scraps Disney deigns to hand-out; they are also paying Disney customer and are having to deal with angry customers over a decision that wasn't even thiers. Standing up to Disney could be good for them in the long run!
LK: ILU[info]laurak23 on November 17th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
Wow, this is ridiculous. I am shocked and appalled that Disney could make such a decision. I am sure Walt himself would be ashamed to know they consider captions "special features." I will definitely be making some noise about this! I'm a teacher for the deaf & hard of hearing, and to think that my students would not be able to rent and enjoy this movie is downright infuriating. Thanks for sharing the contact information!
(Anonymous) on November 17th, 2009 10:37 pm (UTC)
Netflix disks
I checked my son's Netflix disks this week because UP was on his list and sure enough, it was there. This one had closed captions in it and I enjoyed it very much.

It could have been a purchased one because the disk had printed pictures on it, unlike Netflix's usual gray disks. Just to say not all of the Netflix UP rentals are uncaptioned. It could be because this is a Rochester branch location where many Deaf people live.
(Anonymous) on November 18th, 2009 03:48 am (UTC)
Re: Netflix disks
Actually, I read that redbox will sometimes buy RETAIL copies to rent out when they cannot get enough rental copies from the movie distributors...

Netflix probably does the same thing? So that is why some rental discs are closed-captioned, and others are not.
(Anonymous) on November 18th, 2009 03:39 am (UTC)
Disney exec changing their mind!
Thanks for the info on the phone numbers, web site and email addresses. I put it on Facebook this morning. Here's a tweet from actress Marlee Matlin.
http://twitter.com/MarleeMatlin/status/5807301183
Great news! Now to figure out how to get Netflix and other rental companies to send the newer versions, not the old.
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 18th, 2009 10:22 am (UTC)
Re: Disney exec changing their mind!
Well, that IS fantastic news! But I have to wonder though, why they are saying it was a manufacturer error, when they told me directly that it was a marketing decision, and told several other people that as well. It will be interesting to see what their email reply (if I ever receive one) says about that.

Thanks,
Eddie
Cody B.: contemplation[info]codeman38 on November 18th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
Don't know if you'd come across this, but Marlee Matlin recently tweeted that she'd contacted Disney execs and that they claimed it was a production error, and that all new rental copies will be captioned. (Never mind, of course, all the existing stock at rental places-- no notification if that's being recalled...)

Interesting, because you, TheFarmerjoe on Twitter, and the Minyanville blog were all told by separate support reps that it was a marketing decision.
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 18th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
Yes I did..And I will blog about it after I gather more facts. Thanks for your time commenting!
(Anonymous) on November 19th, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)
This is an outrage. Disney doesnt care about Deafness, I wonder if this is all about money??? Im banning ANYTHING Disney from my home.
(Anonymous) on January 24th, 2010 11:30 pm (UTC)
All Things Disney
That covers a lot of things, some of which might surprise you. Here is a list of Disney assets I found on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Disney
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 24th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC)
Re: All Things Disney
Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
Cody B.: Osaka[info]codeman38 on November 20th, 2009 07:08 am (UTC)
Now Disney has a page on their support site about the Up rental discs, but this is the entirety of the text:

"If you have questions about a recent rental of Pixar’s UP on DVD, please submit your inquiries by visiting our Contact Us page."

It's almost like they want to publicly apologize but can't for some reason. (More miscommunication between marketing and mastering?)
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on November 20th, 2009 11:53 am (UTC)
Unbelieveable... and I'm STILL waiting on a response from them via email. They promised a response when they "had finished their review of the marketing decision". Direct quote. All I know is that they supposedly have said that they are going to ensure all new rental videos will have the captions going forward, and that it was a manufacturer error, but that is just from what Marlee said. Given their history of giving different answers to different people, I want an answer directly from them. Thanks for the info, Codeman.

Eddie
(Anonymous) on November 23rd, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
xbox 360 rentals
Happened to me once, I paid rent a movie on xbox 360, it was 10.00 dollars, did not have closed caption. So, I called them to find out why! They said they've tried but has no way to because the company wouldn't! I told them, it does not matter, for deaf people RIGHTS, we need a closed caption! They hung on me. I got pissed! I called back and told them if they cannot, then I wanted a refund 10.00. They wouldn't. Kept hung on me!
(Anonymous) on January 27th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
Great News!
I called the number you provided and was told that leaving out CC was a mistake, they were very sorry, would I like a $5 coupon, etc. They took down my information and asked me what they could do to make me happy. I told them I would like a rental copy with CC and the woman said she'd pass it along. I, of course, expected nothing to come of it.

Today I just got a call from someone at Disney who said they would send out an Up disk (with CC) and a postage-paid return envelope! They didn't offer it, but it is--apparently--an option now if you ask.
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 28th, 2010 02:18 am (UTC)
Re: Great News!
That is very impressive indeed! Congratulations, and enjoy the movie!