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20 January 2009 @ 07:31 pm
Open Captions or RWC?  

Hello all:

Jamie Berke has a wonderful posting out on About.com (http://deafness.about.com/b/2009/01/18/is-rear-window-captioning-a-failure.htm) discussing whether or not RWC (Rear Window Captioning) is a failure.  As I've stated before, the one time I used it was somewhat inconvenient (trying to find the right angle, etc.), but overall, I was fine with it, PERSONALLY.  I've also stated that I prefer Open Captions, but have seen people who do prefer RWC.  Another blogger somewhere blogged about his preference for RWC, and yet another brought up the rhetorical question of "Do people who prefer RWC do so only because that is the only option they have where they are?"  Interesting question, and I would have to say, more than likely, that is true.  I have a hard time seeing how people, presented with both options, would prefer RWC over OC.  It is an interesting piece.  Short on details, but it also has a poll with it for people to cast their vote for RWC or OC.  As of a few minutes ago, the numbers were running strongly in favor of OC, with 31 votes total cast.  Here are the current results:

Which do you prefer - open captioned films or rear window captioning?

Rear Window Captioning

 (2)

6%

 

Open Captioned Films

 (29)

93%

 

Total Votes: 31


A commenter on this post of Jamie's slightly insinuated that I did not have my "finger on the pulse" of the deaf community regarding this issue.  I took exception, and want to make sure people understand that I AM SIMPLY FIGHTING FOR MORE CAPTIONED MOVIES IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY AT MORE THEATERS.  I would prefer Open Captions, and hope that is the end result, and will fight for that end result.  At issue is the wording of the draft of the language for this bill, in which the words "closed captioning" is used exclusively.  As I've explained in other posts, replies to commenters on my blog, and so forth, that was done without consulting fully with me before the bill was pre-filed.  It is in committee now, in both the state House and state Senate, and I fully intend to push for the language to be changed to reflect simply "captions" or "captioning" to allow for some ambiguity.  When (if) the bill passes (with the corrected language), it will then be up to the Kentucky Human Rights Commission, in conjunction with the Kentucky Commission on the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, to set the parameters for the type(s) of technology to be used, the minimum number of showings of captioned movies, and so forth.  It is at this juncture that we can push for Open Captions, and believe me, I will lead the way on that by fighting for Open Captions to be the preferred methodology. 

However, I feel it important to note, that the main reason for not specifying OPEN CAPTIONS only in the legislation, is to allow for the ambiguity that perhaps personal captioning devices that may come along can be later determined to be the more equitable alternative for both the theaters and the consumers.  If we limit it exclusively to Open Captions in the legislation, this perhaps will be viewed or interpreted narrowly in the future once (if) better or more portable devices come onto the market.  If it is interpreted narrowly in the context of OPEN CAPTIONS only, then the possibility exists that, in order to make full use of better devices in the future, we would have to go back before the legislative body of this state to effect another change in language.  Leaving it somewhat open ended now with just the words "captioning" or "captions" would be better in the long run.

I also want to address a specific portion of the commenter's response to me (you can see the whole dialogue at Jamie's blog link above) in which he suggested:

"If I were you, I would have someone to distrupt the sound systems at movie theatres to send the direct message to the movie theatres and audists that how would they feel being deprieved of sounds."
 
Let me be clear right now.  I DO NOT AND WILL NOT ADVOCATE ACTIONS SUCH AS THIS.  Quite honestly, my personal feeling is that taking actions such as the above are not only childishly disruptive and can result in the perpretator being evicted and barred from that theater if caught, but are also bordering on vandalism if they physically alter or breach the theaters' sound systems.  Again, I do not and will not condone such actions, so please, do not attempt this if you read that person's comment.  It is counter-productive and serves no good purpose. 

And so it goes...I do hope to hear feedback from any of you in support of either RWC or Open Captions.  It is an interesting perspective from both sides.

Eddie
 
 
( 6 comments — Leave a comment )
(Anonymous) on January 21st, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Open Captions or RWC?
Hi Eddie,
Oh my. I voted in Jamie's poll a few days ago and did not keep up with the later comments.
One thought that I heard at my hearing loss support group meeting on Saturday that relates to your subject: One of our members prefers a portable device that can be used at all showings at all films. I wasn't clear if that is the same as RWC or or if it's something else entirely.
Personally I just want to look up at the screen and see my captions there.
Keep fighting the good fight, Eddie.
Sarah
(Anonymous) on January 22nd, 2009 02:46 am (UTC)
Re: Open Captions or RWC?
Eddie,

You pasted my comment from another deaf blogger's blog without my consent.

Of course, I personally would not do such things like physical vandalism. I simply urge someone to turn off the volumes at the projectonist's room and escape.

For many times, the projectionists often forget to turn on captioning system which leave me and other deaf moviegoers without captions for more than fifteen minutes.

We went immediately to the theatre management. Guess what? We just get free tickets for another show. No way!

We spend considerable time and effort to come down to view the film on that particular day and get our face slap with lack of accessibility and ignorance on the part of theatre management.

FYI, I learned this kind of stuff - act of protest from deaf 8 years old back in 1981. That kid got fumbled about not many tv shows to be captioned. His exact quote - "Let's turn off voices on every tv sets until hearing people understand how we really feel".

We sometimes have to get radical, but the 9/11 scenario would make impossible for us doing such things without getting arrested and prosecuted.

RLM
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 22nd, 2009 04:30 am (UTC)
Re: Open Captions or RWC?
RLM:

It was in a public forum, I didn't need your consent, first of all. Secondly, urging people to do stuff like that is childish and irresponsible. Theater management forgot to turn on the captions? That's pitiful on their part, BUT they did make an effort to make it right by giving you free tickets to another showing, and I'm sure that was an excellent opportunity to educate them and make sure it doesn't happen again. After all, they are human too, and make errors like all of us do. Perhaps I might suggest something? There is a link online where it explains the process for properly warming up a caption projector (DTS version), and I'm sure there is one for the RWC as well. Maybe print it off and take it with you to the theater next time? I can assure you, when I finally get captions here, I plan to do just that ahead of time with the theater management, to ensure as smooth of a transition as possible so that BOTH sides benefit. We get our captions in a timely manner, and they are educated and also appreciated for providing them in a timely and professional manner.

Sorry you feel this way, I know that you are a frequent reader of my blog, and comment often, which is appreciated, but I still don't condone urging those kinds of actions. I believe in being reasonable AND persistent.
[info]surduspub on January 22nd, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Open Captions or RWC?
RLM -

I've read a number of your postings and while I don't always agree with what you say, you are reasonably intelligent.

Trying to force someone to "feel what you feel" is irresponsible and, frankly, idiotic. Using words like "disrupt" and "escape" is enough to make people think you're proposing vandalism.

You're not dealing with a board of directors at Gallaudet University circa 1988 here.

You're dealing with the corporate world and the corporate environment has one purpose - to make money. Sure they'll come across as being sensitive and compassionate. It's good business. If they didn't, they'd be labeled racist/oppressive/audist/whatever and that would ruin their public image.

The flip side is they will do what they can to keep their customers happy as long as it doesn't have an overly negative impact on their bottom line. Captioning movies is expensive. The equipment needed to properly show said captions is also expensive. Modifying existing theaters to show captions is expensive. There is a theme here, is there not? No one should be surprised that the movie industry is fighting it as hard as they can.

Another aspect that you may not have considered is that deaf folks aren't the only ones clamoring for improved accessibility. I'm sure the blind community wants more audio descriptive movies and what about the hard of hearing? There are those who want better amplification instead of captions.

Not everyone is going to be satisfied. Instead of a "all or nothing" approach, compromise will be needed.

One final suggestion - if you don't want your comments to be used, don't post them. Once they're in a public forum, they're fair game.
(Anonymous) on January 23rd, 2009 03:03 pm (UTC)
RWC > OC
I'm go for RWC over OC during the clear to read. However, I do understand that RWC is hassle by show ID and carry the kind device in the front of public and it's difficult to keep the rear stay still after other reckless deaf abuse the wire.

OC is wonderful but it's unfortunately, it use individual projector and when it use more than few weeks, the bulb become weak. It make more difficult to read when it's kind fade out during the medium to light background.

I miss the old day when it was standard OC where it come with subtitle with UGLY outline which was crispy to read and movie which is more enjoyable!
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 23rd, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC)
Re: RWC > OC
Thank you for your input. Now, regarding the bulbs causing the OC to fade out after a few weeks of use, it is my understanding from reading the tech specifications that these bulbs have on average, 1200 hours of life expectancy before needing to be changed, I think? I'm not sure, it has been a while since I saw that tech spec sheet, so I could be wrong.

Has anyone else seen this issue?

If that is true, then I understand why some people would prefer the RWC. Thanks for commenting.