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08 January 2009 @ 08:27 am
The Costs of an RWC....  
While doing research, I found an interesting bulletin from a federal agaency back in June of 2003 that discusses the requirements of the ADA as it pertains to captions.  One interesting piece of information caught my eye about the RWC.  Keep in mind, I'm not advocating the RWC feature over Open Captions, I'm simply posting this interesting information since I have seen wildly varying cost estimates of installing these features in movie theaters.  This is by far the most detailed breakdown (and the most direct) I have yet seen.

How much does it cost a theater to install Rear Window?
"The cost of installing the Rear Window Captioning system varies from theater to theater based on factors such as theater size and existing equipment. The number and style of reflectors that a theater chooses to purchase also will affect the overall cost. The basic cost of the LED datawall is estimated at approximately $4,000 for conventional theaters and $8,000 for large specialty theaters (IMAX®). The cost per reflector is approximately $80; theaters that have installed the system have initially purchased 12 reflectors at $50 apiece. The DTS 6D player, which many theaters already have available, costs $6,000 if purchased separately. Installation costs depend on the theater's maintenance arrangements; arrangements for installation can be made with the equipment supplier."
 
So, it appears, that an RWC system can be installed in a conventional theater for the relatively cheap price of $4600 (if they already have a DTS 6D player) or $10,600 if they have to purchase the DTS 6D player.  That is using the standard applied above, of a theater purchasing 12 reflectors.  This was published in June of 2003, people, 5 1/2 years ago.  How much have the prices dropped since then?  I am aware, that there is also a one time licensing fee, which I understand to be $2000 (approximately) as well.  All told, still a heck of a lot cheaper than the published estimates of $100,000 per screen of converting to full on digital (which industry publications have indicated will take approximately 3 and 1/2 years to complete, if conversion begins in 2009 as expected).  Prices like this make it VERY hard for me to believe that a break even point is hard for movies to attain when they purchase caption equipment.

Also, as the poster whom I addressed in my last piece says (mistakenly and misleadingly, I believe), the new digital conversion will be incompatible with these existing systems.  However, I found another article in which an industry spokesman with knowledge of the conversion specifications states that these systems (RWC and Open Caption/DTS-CSS) will be rendered obsolete and not needed once the conversion takes place.  Now, I have to say, that is the ONLY statement I have seen published so far that goes that far and says something this strongly.  It was from an old article somewhere in California, and a lot could have changed since that time, and the original poster COULD be correct.

Additionally, I would like to address another point in that piece, that I failed to address before.  Namely, that not all studios release captioned movies (I believe the poster stated "Most independent studios do not caption their releases").  Just for the sake of research, I went to the Regal Cinemas website and reviewed all available movies currently playing that were advertised on their site as showing in either RWC, DA, or Open Caption.  My research shows that out of a total of 13 different movies they advertise as being captioned in one form or another, 6 of them are from companies that were NOT in the Top 5 (by revenue) movie studios of 2007, and at least 3 of those are considered independents, or "mid-major" studios (Lionsgate, MGM/United Artists, and Summit Entertainment).  I also discovered that quite a few of these "independents" are sometimes actually operating under the umbrella of major studios.  I have yet to find a release that shows what the top studios are BY NUMBER OF FILMS RELEASED (a point of contention by the poster), but will keep digging, because I truly believe the majority of films released now are captioned.

One last point.  Since I was already on the Regal website, I decided to take a close look at their advertised show times and dates for the Lexington, Ky. location (the only Regal Cinema in Kentucky), and the Cincinnati, Ohio areas (next closest one to Lexington).  I wasn't too surprised, and the results actually confirmed the biggest complaint of the deaf community (inconvenient showtimes/dates) and dismissed the poster's statement that they lose 75% of business for a showing of a captioned movie versus a non-captioned movie.  The showtimes and dates were:

Lexington

/Hamburg Pavilion Stadium 16 859-264-8341

OC & DA: Marley And Me

PG

01/09/2009

01/12/2009

TBD

Lexington

/Hamburg Pavilion Stadium 16 859-264-8341

OC & DA: The Curious Case Of Benjiman Button

PG-13

01/06/2009

01/08/2009

01/08 04:30 PM

Lexington

/Hamburg Pavilion Stadium 16 859-264-8341

OC & DA: Valkyrie

PG-13

01/13/2009

01/15/2009

TBD



Mason

/Deerfield Stadium 16 513-770-3186

OC & DA: Marley And Me

PG

01/09/2009

01/12/2009

01/09 01:15 PM 01/09 07:15 PM 01/10 04:15 PM 01/10 10:30 PM 01/11 01:15 PM 01/12 01:15 PM 01/12 07:15 PM

Mason

/Deerfield Stadium 16 513-770-3186

OC & DA: The Curious Case Of Benjiman Button

PG-13

01/06/2009

01/08/2009

01/08 06:15 PM

Mason

/Deerfield Stadium 16 513-770-3186

OC & DA: Valkyrie

PG-13

01/13/2009

01/15/2009

01/13 03:40 PM 01/13 09:15 PM 01/14 12:55 PM 01/14 06:30 PM 01/15 03:40 PM 01/15 09:15 PM



As you can see, there is one more showing in Lexington this week of a captioned movie, and it takes place at 4:30 in the afternoon TODAY (a Thursday during a school week).  To be fair to that location, since it is so late in the week, they had already shown some caption movies this week, including a couple that were during prime time hours, but all the others were at times such at 1:15 in the afternoon during the week, etc.  Also, even though the Mason location (in Ohio, very close to Cincinnati) has advertised their showtimes ALREADY for NEXT WEEK, the Lexington location simply has TBD (To Be Determined).  The Mason location is a great example of one thing:  the power of advertising IN ADVANCE, even if 5 of the 14 total showings are at very poor hours during the week, when many people are either working or in school.  I'm sure such poor planning EVERYWHERE leads to very bad attendance that can completely skew attendance totals to look bad.  But at least they are announced well in advance, and people can plan if there are limited showings of a movie they really want to see.  They also, at the Mason location, partner with the Hearing, Speech, and Deaf Center in Cincinnati to ensure that this schedule is sent out on an email blast weekly, I know, because I receive the email every week without fail, I choose to receive this email because I want to know what is going on, even though driving up there is a 4 hour trip ONE WAY for me if I chose to go.  That's the kind of partnership by local management with local deaf and hard of hearing chapters and advocates that can lead to successful movie attendance, that I have been trying to preach.

But showtimes/dates like these make my argument for me.  How many HEARING people are going to attend movie showings at 12:00 noon or 1:15 p.m. during a workday?  To argue that there is little demand based on attendance figures with showtimes like these, is a losing argument by the theaters, and an INSIPID argument.

Eddie


 

 
 
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(Anonymous) on January 8th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
Costs of RWC
Ok, I probably should not continue this dialogue as you clearly are upset and are not being completely forthright. You stated previously that if we cared we would partner with groups to do e-mail blasts, implying we do not do so, and now you admit you are aware we do so. Further, if you want to be honest in your posts, post it all. Here are the show times for features:

Click on RED SHOWTIMES to Buy Tickets

Bedtime Stories (PG)



12:0012:00 1:001:00 2:202:20 3:403:40 4:404:40 6:206:20 7:007:00 8:408:40 9:209:20The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (PG-13)



11:50am 1:001:00 6:506:50 8:108:10



Open Captioned & Descriptive Audio Show times More Info

4:304:30Marley & Me (PG)



12:2012:20 3:053:05 3:203:20 6:406:40 9:259:25The Spirit (PG-13)



12:0012:00 3:203:20 6:306:30 9:109:10Valkyrie (PG-13)



12:5012:50 4:104:10 8:008:00Seven Pounds (PG-13)



12:2012:20 1:101:10 3:203:20 4:204:20 6:106:10 7:307:30 9:009:00The Tale of Despereaux (G)



12:3012:30 1:301:30 3:103:10 3:503:50 6:156:15Yes Man (PG-13)



2:152:15 4:504:50 6:406:40 7:507:50 9:109:10The Day the Earth Stood Still (PG-13)



1:101:10 3:503:50 6:306:30 8:558:55Doubt (PG-13)



12:1012:10 3:103:10 6:506:50 9:159:15Four Christmases (PG-13)



4:104:10 9:009:00Bolt in Disney Digital 3D (PG)



Disney Digital 3D Show times More Info

1:501:50 6:406:40Twilight (PG-13)



8:308:30Slumdog Millionaire (R)



I assume it is relevant that all movies, captioned or otherwise, have comparable show times, including noon show times? Who you ask is attending them, I can't tell you. What I can tell you is that we don't have show times unless we expect someone to attend.

You had a local independent theatre owner treated you poorly, do not take it out on me or my Company.

Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 8th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Costs of RWC
First of all, thank you for responding. Secondly, as I mentioned, I got the listings for the captioned movies from your company website, which I (apparently wrongfully so) assumed would be the most accurate source of what captioned movies were showing in your theaters. I went to the site, selected the link for RW/DA/OC movies, and highlighted, copied, and pasted what appeared. You will notice, that I said "To be fair to that location, since it is so late in the week, they had already shown some caption movies this week, including a couple that were during prime time hours", I recognized that some movies I know were on there previously had dropped off due to already having been shown, etc.

I'm being more than forthright, I think if you will review my other blog postings, etc., you will see that I try to do a fairly exhaustive amount of research and include it in my blogs. When talking about the email blasts from Cincinnati, I was using that AS AN EXAMPLE only, that email blast doesn't cover what is shown in Kentucky, and I never said you DON'T partner with agencies to get the word out, I said that needs to be done HERE in Kentucky. As for Fandango.com, I will take the hit on that, but as I said, I expected your company run website to be more accurate. In the future, when doing research, I will be sure to check both for completeness, but I will not apologize for posting what I find. As I said, I try to be as accurate and forthright as possible in all my postings, and when I am wrong, I acknowledge it.

As for whether or not it is relevant if ALL movies have similar showtimes, not particularly in this regard. I still fail to see how you are very successful with daytime showings like that, and obviously, your attendance numbers must be lower during those times, for both captioned and non-captioned movies.

I DO appreciate the willingness of Regal to offer captioned movies, I never have NOT appreciated it. Matter of fact, I'd love to see your business double, and the deaf and hard of hearing play a large part of that. This bill isn't about Regal alone, it is about the general industry being non-responsive.

Eddie
(Anonymous) on January 9th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Costs of RWC
Eddie,

What is wrong with the DTS (digital subtitles) or Open Captions?

The root of problem go back to the proposed legislation's language regarding types of captions.

The movie theatre owners (NATO) is pretty powerful lobby along with the MPAA.

How true about such inconvience for many open-captioned films via showtime like 12:30pm showtime on Friday afternoon, not evening time or weekend evening times, etc.

I will post the vlog or blog next week how the RWC industry conspire to market the RWC captionings back to last twelve years ago.

RLM
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 9th, 2009 05:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Costs of RWC
I have no problem with Open Captions, as a matter of fact, I prefer them. I posted that information as just that...information about the costs of installing one of the RWC systems. When I hear more definitive answers on installing an Open Caption system, I will post that as well. It is just a guideline for any others across the country who may want to pursue legislation such as this in their respective areas, or who may want to partner with theater owners to try and raise the money to pay for them.

Believe me, I am learning very quickly just how powerful, persuasive, and aggressive they are.

Eddie
[info]faceme.wordpress.com on January 13th, 2009 09:12 am (UTC)
Re: Costs of RWC
Eddie,
I need to pick your brain. :-) I've just been reading over my own state laws about discrimination. Bottom line-- hearing loss is considered a disability and public buildings such as cinemas must provide access to the disabled.

NO large theater company can claim hardship if their company is already providing captioning in cinemas elsewhere. ie-- If Regal can provide captioning in Seattle and New Jersey, why not Kentucky? If Regal can provide captioning at three of their sites in the Seattle Metro area, why not all? Same with AMC and Loews. If some of their theaters offer captioning, why not ALL? I would like to know where you got your figures on the cost of RWC. Do you have figures for open captions? I assume open caption must cost the theaters much less. If the theaters argue they've "lost business" after captioning their mid-day shows, where are the studies??

Kim
Thumpaflash[info]thumpaflash on January 13th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Costs of RWC
Kim:

Reply back here and leave me your email address, I monitor and approve all comments, so it won't be published. When I get your email address, I will send you the documents I found the RWC figures from, etc.

But bottom line interpretation of the ADA and various state laws has generally trended toward a VERY narrow definition of equal access AND equal ENJOYMENT. I will explain in more detail when I get your email address.

Eddie